I have met and heard the tragic stories of many parents. PA is a function, by and large, of a custodial ex-partner, although some alienation can start while the couple is still together.

This blog is a story of experiences and observations of dysfunctional Family Law (FLAW), an arena pitting parent against parent, with children as the prize. Due to the gender bias in Family Law, that I have observed, this Blog has evolved from a focus solely on PA to one of the broader Family/Children's Rights area and the impact of Feminist mythology on Canadian Jurisprudence and the Divorce Industry.

Thursday, November 13, 2008

Fathers 4 Justice activist Jolly Stanesby was today jailed for two months

Update November 14/09

Ivybridge protester jailed

Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 14:02

Ibybridge proteser jailed
Jolly Stanesby

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IVYBRIDGE Fathers 4 Justice activist Jolly Stanesby was today jailed for two months for a rooftop protest at the home of Deputy Prime Minister Harriett Harman.

Fellow protestor Mark Harris, of Elford Crescent in Plympton, was given a conditional discharge.

Members of the group, which had disbanded in September of this year, said they would be staging further protests on the Minister's roof and at the Prime Minister's home in Kirkaldy & Cowdenbeath within the week to protest at what they described as a 'politically conceived show trial.'

Spokesman Mark Harris said: "I am shocked that Mr Stanesby has been imprisoned and know that fellow campaigners will be taking his place on Miss Harman's roof within days if not hours. The court has made a serious error in committing him to prison and in doing so incited angry dads to take further direct action."

The pair climbed on to the roof of a house in Herne Hill on June 9 this year and unfurled a banner reading ‘A father is for life, not just conception’

Stanesby, of Manor Close, Ivybridge, has a long history of protesting for F4J.

In 2003 he spent nights up a crane on the construction site of a new court building in Exeter, spent Christmas on Tower Bridge in London dressed as Father Christmas, then weeks later brought the Tamar Bridge to a standstill when he spent a week up a gantry across the A38. In February he protested at the Blackwall Tunnel in London.

In May 2004 he protested on the roof of Plymouth Crown Court dressed as a superhero then in November handcuffed himself to minister Margaret Hodge.

In 2006 he masterminded the storming of the live National Lottery TV show, spent two nights on a judge's roof and started 2007 by climbing Stonehenge dressed as Fred Flinstone.

In August 2007 he was arrested at gunpoint by a SWAT team after climbing the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, USA.

Comments on the Herald Web Site from several countries as of November 14/08 GMT

Comments (50)

  • Nev said: "Can you blame this chap's ex-wife for keeping the kids away from him - he's a bit of a nutter if you ask me. ____________________________ So Nev you think a man (or woman) who loves their children so much they are prepared to give up their freedom to let them know they want to stay in their lives. You have an interesting view of the world. I must be bonkers too because I'm quite prepared to do the same thing. Interesting what love can do or have you forgotten.
    Mike Murphy, Sault Ste. Marie, ON Canada
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    commented on 14-Nov-2008 14:08
  • Can you blame this chap's ex-wife for keeping the kids away from him - he's a bit of a nutter if you ask me.
    Nev, Whitechapel (living in Plymouth)
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    commented on 14-Nov-2008 12:58
  • Jolly has won over the hearts and minds of people around the Globe. That is something they can never erase. I am putting a FREE JOLLY sign on my front lawn and hope all of our members here in Canada do the same. United in Purpose and Spirit, Kris Titus, National Coordinator, F4J Fathers 4 Justice Canada.
    Kris Titus, Canada
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    commented on 14-Nov-2008 12:33
  • Jolly!...if only more of us humans had your courage and fortitude to stand for what is right and just. We have become a babysat society. Darrell in Edmonton ,Alberta.
    darrell, Alberta ,Canada.
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    commented on 14-Nov-2008 06:26
  • Jolly, thanks for bringing light to a terrible actions which the governments & courts are doing to our children! It is a total disgrace of your Country to sentence you to jail. I am hoping that your actions will unite Fathers around the world to act. Be safe, be strong, thanks again for making the stand.
    RBBarnier, Chatham, Ontario, Canada
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    commented on 14-Nov-2008 03:12
  • I am shocked by the atrocity that has been commited by our judicial system. Here is clearly all the evidenece we need of a just man fighting an unjust system! I admire Jolly for his endless work for F4J, speaking out on the behalf of the forgotten voices of fathers. I myself come from a 'broken home' and have read through some of the notes from court hearings and was astounded at the biased opinion towards the mother, regardless of the father's interest or most importantly a child's needs. What a democracy we live in? pa!! Currently my step father is now going through the same process with his children, 40% of his earnings are taken, which leaves him in dire financial difficulties and still no contact with his children. The government should concentrate on correcting the system not those fighting for a neccessary and much needed change.The only real crime committed here lies in the idle hands of those with the power to change this unlawful, unjust constitution. FREE JOLLY!!!
    GK, Plymouth
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    commented on 14-Nov-2008 00:54
  • Once again, big government tries to shut down the right to protest human rights violations. Big government wants his money, but they refuse to allow him to have his child. Can it be only a matter of time before fathers come to the stark realization that they have no rights? Will it then be time to start the violence and riots that have been long overdue? When people fear their government, its tyranny. When government fears its people, there is freedom. It is interesting that the U.K. and the EC have banned guns. I wonder how many are stored away for the day that the revolution starts? They're trying to do the same here in America, and they know, they know, they know that American men won't stand for it much longer. U.S. Men in general, and fathers, specifically, are coming to the realization that government no longer works for them and that the US Constitution is a "dead letter". Once the fullness of this is realized, all bets are off, and you will see a civil war here in the states--sooner, rather than later, with the current economic climate and new administration ready to take office.
    Bruce Eden Civil Rights Director Dads Against Di, Wayne, New Jersey, United States of America
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    commented on 14-Nov-2008 00:37
  • You have my utmost respect and support. You have stood where other men have run. You have marched onward, where other men hid in their rabbit holes. You have spoken out when other men have stayed silent. You have not abandoned your children when other men would give up in the face of the lawyers and corrupt judges. To me, you are a man of honor and courage in a wasteland of cowardice and avarice. You have my respect and I do not grant it lightly. May God Bless and Keep You.

    Stan Rains

    Stanley Rains, Corpus Christi, Texas
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 21:15
  • Jolly and Mark good work keep it up! Just shows you that two people the same crime and one gets two months the other nothing shows you that its completley bonkers i am glad this will give F4J some good coverage and why are drug dealers robbers muggers and scum going scot free whilst a protester gets 2 months. Yes this was a private home but it goes with the job! Its not like they painted anything same as the environmentalist protesters who did criminal damage and walked away scot free not paying a penny. FREE JOLLY
    John, St Judes
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 19:50
  • Hey Jolly! You continue to do a great job of bringing attention to the unjust system that is eating its men alive. Knowing you, I would bet that the entire prison staff will be on our side by the time you leave. You are indeed a hero to me. Thank you for all you do. It dawned on me this morning that an old fairy tale comes close to describing our present day family courts. Can't you hear the family courts chanting this: Fe Fi Fo Fum I smell the blood of an Englishman, Be he live or be he dead, I'll grind his bones to make my bread. This giant needs to take a fall.
    Tom Golden, Washington DC
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 17:25
  • I hope Jolly has some snout.
    Ms_Anthrope, Mannamead
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 15:48
  • The appalling Judge Daphne Wickham who did this lives at 222, Bromley Road, Shortlands, Bromley, Kent, BR2 0AB. I've heard a protest is planned there very soon, all welcome.
    Mark, Plympton
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 13:36
  • I was the other protester in court. This sentence was a policitially motivated act simply because of who we protested against, (the very despicable Harriet Harman) nothing more. The authorities have been after Jolly for years and this was their opportunity to get him. They only let me off with nothing (conditional discharge) because the charge I faced carried no custodial sentence, even though we both refused to come down from Harman's roof throughout the day. This sort of abuse by the authorities is what happens routinely in family courts, simply loading the justice system to suit whatever outcome is desired. In Family Courts the judiciary don't ever want to have to enforce contact orders for fathers to see their children against the mother, so if the mother does not want the Dad to see their child, the judges load the outcome so it is deemed not in the best interests of the kid for the Dad to have contact. Corruption of the process, simple as that. I saw it during my ten year 133 family court appearances to see my daughters and saw it yesterday in the City of Westminster Magistrates. I've heard a 'FREE JOLLY' campaign is starting up across the UK, you may well see that slogan appearing on buildings, bridges, etc in the very near future. Mark Harris, author, Family Court Hell.
    Mark Harris, Plympton
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 12:44
  • I wouldn't be suprised if there were worldwide protests over this sentence. Jolly has been all over the world to shine light on sytstems that push fathers out of their own children's lives.
    Brian Holladay, Cleveland Ohio
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 12:23
  • Will mother England never learn? She deprived the Colonies of their God given rights, and suffered a terrible war of revolution. Now both countries are waging a War Against Fathers. Is another revolution in the offing? Will it be necessary? Listen to Jolly Stanesby. Separating fathers from their children hurts the CHILDREN. Your War Against Fathers is CHILD ABUSE. It's the judges who ought to be locked up. Children need BOTH parents. Not Mom and a checque book.
    Paul M. Clements, South Carolina, USA
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 10:31
  • dont get on the roofv in the nick mate cos it very colde this time of yeer.
    Eberneezer, PLmouth
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 09:44
  • it should be the fathers that abandone their children and dont support them through life that should be sent down. what the hell is the matter with the system! free jolly and keep up the good work f4j you have alot of people behind you, keep fighting
    abi, plymouth
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 09:31
  • I am on my childs birth certificate i pay CSA, to the sum where my son has more disposable income than i do as i give him my full 40% disposable income but his mother has decided that i do not require access to my child. Appart from going to court which i cant afford there is nothing i can do i have no rights. Hopefully in 20 years time we will look back and think how crazy we were and this is the modern suffragettes movent. I know F4J do crazy things but nothing more crazy than this man sentance as pointed before in this post car. People get less for muggings or gbh than this so it does show what twisted view the government has you can be assaulted at work by a busker and they dont want to prosecute but sit on someones roof and your off down. Crazy mixed up UK.
    John, ST Judes
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 09:30
  • Britain better be glad the gentlemen's movement is still comprised of gentlemen. Britain would be wise to recognize what happened when stodgy old men failed to recognize the women's suffrage movement. Between 1913 and 1914, over 1000 suffragettes were imprisoned for damaging public property. Emmeline Pankurst was imprisoned for setting fire to the exchequers office. Parental rights are at least as fundamental and immutable as voting rights. In the interests of resolving this problem peacefully, before some men get fed up, I hope every man worth his salt gets on top of Harman's house, and those of her feminist buddies, and stay there until policies are changed.
    David R. Usher, St. Louis MO
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 09:02
  • Keep up the good work team - We who mean business to give our Kids Equal doses of Mum, Dad and all 4 Grands must stand strong - In jail if it be - Stand until those who have made the Family Laws and Social Policies that damage our Families and those who administer them are silenced and jailed for their crimes - I admire you english blokes - You lead and encourage the Family Orientated Folk of the World by your actions - Stay Strong
    JimBWarrior, North Shore City, New Zealand
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 08:45
  • Jolly, in Canada and the United States along with countless other countries, you are a real Hero and we all thank you. All Mothers globally should be thanking you as well because their Sons and Grandsons are next..! Divorce courts are purposely, atrociously, maliciously and recklessly run for one reason only, and that is to make countless lawyers, judges and those in related agencies, incredibly rich. Anti-Male Bias is rampant. This ensures that our acrimonious divorces last forever because of the deliberately engineered hostility. As for accountability, what's that? We have "Judges Judging Judges" and "Lawyers Judging Lawyers".. So many "experts" in the media, who write about these catastrophic problems are either clueless or they are deliberately hiding the truth just for their own personal gain. We have tried almost everything, demonstrated peacefully around the World, we have spoken face-to-face with Prime Ministers and literally hundreds of MPs and we have been constantly lied to. It's outrageous the way in which we have been treated. MY ADVICE TO ALL SINGLE MEN, WHETHER YOUNG OR OLD, IS: "DON'T GET MARRIED, DON'T HAVE CHILDREN AND DON'T LIVE WITH ANYBODY...!"
    TERRY LEAR, TORONTO, CANADA
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 06:16
  • Jolly, in Canada and the United States, along with countless other countries, you are a real hero and we all thank you. All Mothers globally should be thanking you as well because their Sons and Grandsons are next..! Divorce courts are purposely, atrociously, maliciously and recklessly run for one reason only, and that is to make countless lawyers, judges and those in related agencies, incredibly rich. Anti-Male Bias is rampant. This ensures that our acrimonious divorces last forever because of the deliberately engineered hostility. As for accountability, what's that? We have "Judges Judging Judges" and "Lawyers Judging Lawyers".. So many "experts" in the media, who write about these catastrophic problems are either clueless or they are deliberately hiding the truth just for their own personal gain. We have tried almost everything, demonstrated peacefully around the World, we have spoken face-to-face with Prime Ministers and literally hundreds of MPs and we have been constantly lied to. It's outrageous the way in which we have been treated. MY ADVICE TO ALL SINGLE MEN, WHETHER YOUNG OR OLD, IS: "DON'T GET MARRIED, DON'T HAVE CHILDREN AND DON'T LIVE WITH ANYBODY...!"
    TERRY LEAR, TORONTO, CANADA
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 06:14
  • It is not fair what is happining to fathers in both our countries. The sentence handed down to Jolly is harsh and severe considering what more serous crimes people get away with scott free. It is even more harsh what fathers like Jolly, myself, and many other go through at the hands of a blatently unfair system. Jolly did what he had to do to bring public attention to the real state of Fatherhood. Those who are not in the "system" have no idea what they are in for when they do go there. Jolly is a hero and as many heroes do, he has sacrificed his freedom so other would see. Thank you Jolly!
    Keith Oakes, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 03:39
  • If the collective international public knew how bad this system treated Fathers they would be stunned and horrified. I am constantly amazed that people are not out in the streets in open revolt. In another time men went to war over these things Wat price the kidnapping of our children by the legal sysytem and our servitude and subjugation by the state. The legal state of affairs we live in today is nothing more than a disgusting tyranny in the same mould as the recent Soviet state and the sentencing of Jolly is proof of that fact. Men and particular Fathers in the so-called Western Democracies have no rights. And thats all there is to it. Good men0some good men-are fighting this tyranny and Jolly is one of those. He is one of my personal heroes.
    Jeremy Swanson, Ottawa Canada
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 01:45
  • This system is not a joke, it is corruption that would embarrass Mugabe! The outcome of the current system is large numbers of dysfunctional young people are attracting the attention of the judicial system (for which they are paid). Creditable research shows repeatedly that children fare far better with a significant relationship with both parents after separation. The family law industry has to continue this way to ensure that lawyers, judges, social workers and the like all have a job in the future, and that the judicial industry can grow. Forget the welfare of interests of the children, their needs are irrelevant, save to ensure that they grow up in such a toxic environment that they will go off the rails and into the waiting (and expensive) arms of the judicial industry. Spent 7 years trying to protect our child from my ex, but a history of her fraud, maternal violence towards our child (documented by school referral and professional witnesses in addition to our child's reports) was deemed a reason to consider prosecuting the father for child abuse, an injustice that would be in keeping with the current level of corruption. This also explains the high penalty for a political and harmless protest, Family law industry corruption rules.... The judicial industry ignores the copious research showing children fare far better with both parents, father deprivation being 5 times more damaging than poverty, regular contact with father in jail is better than no contact, but the focus is purely financial (forget the child's best interests, they are irrelevant!). The mantra is safety of the child, but copious research shows that women are slightly more abusive in intimate relationships that men (eg www plus csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm total sample size of the creditable research exceeds 237000 people, real research, not unfounded insupportable opinion), were the child's best interests considered, then there would be slightly more single fathers than single mothers. One international and long standing researcher into family breakdown indicated that most mothers barring their children's contact with the other parent are showing the symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder (my ex about 80% fits all the web descriptions I have seen, enough to consider disorder applies to her condition), check out the web descriptions, this is the environment the family law industry considers to be in the best interests of the child. The solution is to enforce shared parenting, with the same level of sanction applied to those that the CSA focus on (not the absent dads who have done a runner, their original target, but the dads who want to play a part in their children's lives and so went through the courts to try to maintain that position, CSA fails on their original target!) for failing to fulfil parental, not financial obligations. Currently the system is set up to discourage shared parenting, the single mother has a financial incentive to cut the dad out of children's lives, clear demonstration of the family law industry corruption, this is the opposite of the best interests of the child. In high conflict cases, the flash point is handover, 3rd parties such as parent's of child's friends solves that problem. This corruption must come to an end, starting with the secrecy that allows these people to do what they wish without review or consideration of outcomes of previous decisions.
    cutOffDad, NW
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  • Sorry, Rachel, people aren¿t reacting any more ¿ they¿ve sussed you.
    COLIN, Torpoint
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    commented on 13-Nov-2008 00:30
  • This country is slowly becoming a FEMINIST DYSTOPIA, the county of HEREFORD is allready a feminist strong hold. I fully support F4J you helped me sometime back.Four months will be over in 2,Spread the word in prison, i'm sure we could get some more activists!!
    Steve, FEMINIZED HEREFORD
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 22:37
  • Fathers 4 Justice 5 (2 months of stoppage time being played).
    PJ, Plympton
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 21:37
  • Fathers 4 Justice 5 (after extra-time).
    PJ, Plympton
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 21:34
  • Suzannah, I think you might be right, my boss says the same thing! You did say things needed livening up today. Well, I'm trying!
    RobRoy, The Delta Quadrant
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 18:51
  • All credit to them for maintaining their non violent but effective protests.
    Rupert, Hartley
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 18:06
  • I agree with his protests. He was forced into carrying them out due to the fact the government is one sided towards mothers. Good on him.!
    Jo, Plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 17:50
  • The law of the land says that theft carries a maximum of 7 years in jail. Last week, a lad from Plympton admitted to breaking in to 100 cars and got six months. This guy gets two for trying to stand up for whats right! The judicial system is up the spout.
    taxpayer.com, Plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 16:55
  • Robroy, you're incorrigible!
    Suzannah, Plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 16:29
  • Suzannah, I totally agree with you about bringing kids up in the right way. My two nieces, 11 & 14, are great. We all met up in Crete and had a thoroughly enjoyable time, good conversation in the restaurants etc. Its the noisy, messy and expensive years leading up to that stage that I can't be doing with. I think a good training aid is a Mosquito fitted to the side of the cot, with the threat of turning it on if they don't stop crying and whingeing.
    RobRoy, The Delta Quadrant
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 16:17
  • Dave`s story is a typical example of how the system fails the people it is supposed to protect. Similar thing happened to my children and me. There is nothing you can do about it, nothing works legally or otherwise. Obviously highlighting the problem from a politicians rooftop is far to close to home for the Government who will more or less guarantee a custodial sentence to try and discourage others from doing the same. British Jusitce isn`t it just Great.
    Rhetorician, Plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 15:58
  • Jolly Good! ;-)
    Me!, Pymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 15:50
  • Jolly is certainly a lively character, I wonder if his offspring are as lively as him, if so, you'd think the mother would willingly offload them onto him. Robroy, kids are not always bad news and a liability, they give a lot back to you, that is if you bring them up in the right way.
    Suzannah, Plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 15:48
  • I'm not a parent but I have some support for F4J, although I don't always support some of their stunts. However this sentence is a political one because they climbed onto Harperson's roof. I suppose she's got enhanced security there now - at our expense of course.
    William J, plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 15:30
  • Do feel sorry for you RobRoy as you sound like a descent person who has made a descent dessions, and we need more kids in this world like that. Actually then don't feel sorry for you, feels sorry for the country cause i bet your not the only person. what we dont need is no hoper kids, the no hoppers them self keeping bring in to the world. Need a liceance to marry, need a licence to drive a car, need a licence for a gun, even need a licence for a dog!!!! but any old skank can knock at as many kids as they want that we have to pay for that terrorise are streets. you notice all the above licences are thinks that can harm others, sorry to say these peoples kids can do more than that now!
    Kevin, Plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 15:18
  • This is a joke, the system is a joke. When my parents divorced my real mother took my dad to the cleaners and won everything including monthly substantial payments. After just over a year of living with my so called parent, I had been awarded to by the courts, in which she went on holidays leaving me home alone, brought a massive house we did not need, miles away from friends and family which she regularly never stayed at I was taken away from her. It took 6 months before i could live with my dad (for the record no history valance, no bad history at all on his records) who could afford only a share home with two bedrooms so we had to build one in the loft for me, which we lived in happily for many years till I was 16. For the first two and half years after I moved in, the courts still forced him to pay money to her when we had nothing? it makes me sick to think what the courts did to my childhood and if they just had been fair or had commonsense all this would have been avoided. How can I join Farther 4 justice? I have no kids of my own though :)
    Dave, Plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 15:12
  • Lee - no, not lonely, far from it. I deliberately chose not to have children, or continue a relationship with anyone that really wanted to have them - there's no point, someone would end up unhappy, most likely all of us. And I only have to spend my money on me, and whoever I'm with at the time, instead of having to put it aside for an unborn baby, that I may not get on with, or even like, when it gets older.
    RobRoy, The Delta Quadrant
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 15:12
  • At least he's stopped taking his clothes off like he did during the weather forecast on ITVs This Morning programme. I think he did it at Wimbledon too.
    Rachel, Ford
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 14:55
  • Instead of criminalising these men its about time the Government took notice of why they are protesting and actually did something about it. Family law in this country is in a hell of a state it is biased towards women and serves only to make pots of money for solicitors who profit vastly from making the whole process as acrimonious as possible. Mothers are not always the best people to leave children with after a divorce. The whole system should and ought to be made easier and fairer for both the parents and the children who are seldom given a choice in these affairs.
    Rhetorician, Plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 14:55
  • This is a sickening verdict.All because he has annoyed someone at the top?this has been a peaceful protest right from the begining,with know harm or violence to anyone,except peaceful protest for what is a fathers right for equality.this country is going down hill.this is called injustice and always has been against fathers.breakdown britain.the judge should take a look at him self in the mirror.disgusting verdict.fight on fathers 4 justice!!!
    lee, plymouth
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 14:46
  • Two months for a civil rights protest is extreme. All these men want to do is be a parent and are being prevented from doing so by the very government that now puts him in jail. Preventing a loving dad from being a parent is the crime!
    Mike Murphy, Sault Ste. Marie, ON
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 14:44
  • I have no sympathy. Statistically, more marriages/relationships end earlier than envisaged, and acrimoniously. People have known this for a long time. If you don't have children you won't have all this hassle in later years. And you won't get bled dry of your cash in perpetuity. Use appropriate protection and you will avoid all this malarkey.
    RobRoy, The Delta Quadrant
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 14:43
  • I wonder if his children will visit him?
    Ms_Anthrope, Mannamead
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 14:38
  • While he is inside, please may i have his overtime?
    Dockie, @ back of portacabin
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    commented on 12-Nov-2008 14:28

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